cookie extreme Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 http://www.zeovit.com/DTOTQ/index.html not a bad looking tank is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 It's just a shame those photos have been altered so much, though. I've seen other pictures of his tank, and it is very nice. Good to see someone who is willing to admit they had losses when starting zeovit. I think it is more common than others want to admit. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted August 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 :roll: :roll: at least he showed some pic's of his tank with nice looking acro's which included growth. more then most do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Yes those growth shots are AWESOME!! Just shows it CAN be done, small frags to great corals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Have to ask though, in what way are those photos altered? I'm no photography expert but I can't see any sign they have been altered. I'll bet in real life the tank will look just how it looks in the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted September 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 or even better as many tank shots don't look half as good as in real life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 great tank, how do they get the intense punch of colour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Same as all zeovit tanks. Photoshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Photoshop leaves all kinds of evidence in files, aside from the visually obvious saturation and hue alterations. It's a nice tank, no reason to alter the photos to that extreme though. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 "All kinds of evidence" As in, precisely what, in this case? I cut and pasted this, from the bottom of the article, headed Camera Specifications "All of the pictures on this webpage were taken with the following: 1. Nikon Coolpix 4300 2. Canon 10D with and without a Macro Lens. Preset settings were used. On the Nikon, Night Mode without Flash was the choice for colorful pictures and the full tank shot. Macro Mode on the Nikon was also used for clearer & closer images. No other setting were changed and white balance was not used with the preset settings. For the Canon 10D (Naka's camera), I used his preexisting settings and chose the P mode for all pictures. The Macro lens was used most of the time for clear crisp images you see below under HQ Images. Tripod and other settings were not used for any of these camera's." My guess is that it may have been nessecary to use a picture editor to change the size of the picture, but I'd be very surprised if the actual colors had been tampered with in any way at all. In fact I would consider that misleading and dishonest, and just don't believe he would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I think this is silly. We have all taken digital photos of our tanks and they often don't reflect the actualy colour or vitality of the subject. The heavy blue lighting plays havoc with the cameras white ballance. Those photos look real enough to me. I certainly don't think they have been photoshoped to decive us to sell more Zeovit. Pieman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I certainly don't think they have been photoshoped to decive us to sell more Zeovit. Neither do I. I was just saying that the heavy saturation and hue alterations are a bit distracting in some of the photos. (I don't think it is grossly misleading or anything though) Like I said, i've seen other pictures of his tank, and it is definitely very nice. Some people just get a bit defensive sometimes. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Yes you are right, guess I must have been very defensive. I was kind of wondering why you said "It's just a shame those photos have been altered so much", as if it's a fact. Suppose I'll just have to keep wondering why someone would say stuff like that. I don't believe they are altered at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Ha Ha I just thought of a good one! I'll add "It's just a shame those photos have been altered so much" To my Zeovit FACTS list :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 EXIF, and JDF tend to disagree with the not been altered claim. Most people who work in a graphics related industry could look at several of those pictures would tell you with high probability that they have been altered, before they even look at the metadata. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Agreed. All Zeovit tank pics have been altered. It's a FACT I mean, those colours could not possibly be real, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 You'd be surprised (or not) how few pictures are NOT altered. It's a very common practice which people never want to admit to. Mainly because people jump to conclusions and associate it with being misleading. It's usually not, but the stigma is still there. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I don't think it is a common practise. To try and get the best by fiddling with lighting etc is what everybody would do, but to photoshop a pic to say you got something you don't, I just can't see somebody doing that, maybe a few but I'm sure it would not be the norm. And anyway, you say there is some way to tell if it's been done? So why do it if people can tell? The other thing is I'm kind of surprised you find the photos so unbelieveable. Colours like that will be pretty much the norm in any well stocked and well run zeovit tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 high probability that they have been altered But can they guarantee, 110 % with out a doubt ? isnt it also POSSIBLE he altered the photos to match what the tank realy looks like ? I dont use Zeo yet, but im going to. And im prepared to have losses, i've allready had losses from oher sorts of media to improve colouration and have accepted this. To me its enough keeping corals, i even like BROWN acro's, and health and growth is more important, but i think its good to try and push things to a certain limit for certain results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 i even like BROWN acro's i think that's definately where you and i differ ben! :lol: i am SICK and tired of seeing brown sps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I'm saying it's necessarily misleading or "saying you got something you don't", just overdone on a couple of images there. There are clues given away in recent versions of photoshop courtesy of cip4 organisation standards which have been pushed in the graphics prepress industry recently. In some products like Acrobat Pro, it's quite transparent. In Photoshop it is still quite "in the background". I'm not surprised at the colours, just the overly saturated images. There are even a one or two on some other nice tanks websites from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 And im prepared to have losses No need to be. Despite us all being constantly told that losses are the norm with zeovit, it is not true. I have had acro losses and it is no secret. BUT they have all been corals I just purchased that could not take the sudden drop in nutrients going into a zeovit tank. All my sps losses have occurred within the first few days of putting them in the tank. Once they have survived the first few days, I have not lost one. What I do now, is put new purchases into the frag tank, which is not as low nutrient as the zeovit tank. This gives them a chance to adapt, once they look healthy they go into the zeovit tank, this system has worked well. IMO just reduce nutrients slowly, don't go for the quick result just be happy to see gradual changes, and no losses are nessecary. That losses HAVE to happen with zeovit is an urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 But can they guarantee, 110 % with out a doubt ? If they investigate the file metadata enough, almost certainly. isnt it also POSSIBLE he altered the photos to match what the tank realy looks like ? Absolutely, that's the reason it is so common (yet people refuse to admit it), it's generally the aim of it, to more accurately reflect the image. It's not necessarily aimed to be misleading, as wasp seems to be fixated on. There is a picture in "Aquarium Corals" which suffers from this slightly excessive altering too from memory. See if you can spot it. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 have had acro losses and it is no secret. BUT they have all been corals I just purchased that could not take the sudden drop in nutrients going into a zeovit tank. How did you work that out? Maybe it's that you are increasing a nutrient in your tank when you start zeovit? Just a thought. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 oooooh cant feel any love on this one :lol: Maybe it's that you are increasing a nutrient in your tank when you start zeovit? Just a thought makes more sense being a sudden drop in nutrients rather than the addition of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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