sharn Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 i agree luke, while colour, size and pattern are stunning the head is its downfall. its quite amazing that he won because of his forehead i think the forehead to dorsal transition would be fine if it wasnt for the bump right in front. i wonder if he was upset in that photo which caused his eye to lighten. can you tell we go thru the simplydiscus university and watch how they grade fish? :lol: some of the fish in the international competitions blow my mind, i saw some pics of ones for sale at the ACA- they were so cheap! $40 for something we would pay well over 100 for (darn americans get all the luck! :lol: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chin168 Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 NO NO NO is not the americans get all the luck. :bounce: The problem is some of the discus import here are cheap quality :oops: and the marking up price you won't believe . :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 you are definatly right chin- one of the biggest problems is most NZers wont pay the price for the good quality fish which means little demand its sort of a vicious cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 problem is some of the discus import here are cheap quality and the marking up price you won't believe I don’t believe that is the case, it is expensive to bring fish in as airfreight and maf costs are high. We have had a few hobbyists moan about marine fish so that started up and import fish. Reality has set in and their prices are even more than previous importers. Some very nice discus pics, i think i will set up a discus tank after seeing these discus. Does anyone use ozone and protein skimmer to get beter water quality . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 it is expensive to bring in fish but not as expensive as some are going for. i wont be paying 30-40 for a 3cm fish thats shaped like a rugby ball just cause its come from over seas when i can buy local and get great quality, healthy, hormone free fish that are normally alot bigger too. LFS are a shocker for it- their suppliers put on their markup which is fine and then the shop puts on their markup (thats fine too cause they have to make money) but the fact they are discus drives the price up even higher. i have seen fish selling at 150 each that many breeders would have culled (dodgy fins, poor body shape etc), i am wondering why they arent selling good quality discus for that price :-? i personally would rather pay a little extra for good quality discus than skimping on the cash and getting a new football collection :lol: reef- if your user name is anything to go by welcome to the dark side :lol: discus are neat fish and they have some pretty neat personalities once you get to know them. my lot are known as the 'overgrown cd's' in my house :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 The reason why we dont very often get good quality discuc is that we are bottom of the shipping food chain and our orders are very small in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 so true, but saying that there are so many awesome dicuss around anyway. By the looks of things there is a oversupply. more breeders than hobbyist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Kind of true, more so we are luck the breeders (most of them) know what they are doing and have carefully picked excellent lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 its a shame we are the bottom of the chain, i think asia, europe and the states get top picks then it goes down the list to us? you are right about small orders, not many people are going to be buying in excess of 500 at a time. IME getting discus to breed is easy, my discus try to breed more readily than my cories or bristlenose- its raising the babies thats the hard part and thats where you can pick out the men from the boys :lol: raising babies is extremely hard work and only the most commited breeders will put in the effort i personally wouldnt be able to hack it :lol: also crossing is a problem, your average hobbiest isnt going to care if two different strains pair up and they dont have the room to set up specific tanks of one strain. i think the discus quality is improving in our country thanks to a few wonderful breeders and we will all be better off in the long run because they have put in the hard yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chin168 Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 No you are wrong, is not what you all think. Is whether the importer is willing to buy good quality discus. Order can be big or small, is all up to the importer. The problem is, this people only buy cheap fish, about US$2 to US$5 fish. For this low price is poor in quality. And what happen is they mark up the price so much that it sound like good quality fish. This people are money lover not fish lover, so they don't care about quality. The big problem is the importer buy poor quality and small fish and want the fish to look nice, but this kind of fish will not show much colours and patterns, so what the seller do is using hormones to being up the colours and patterns. In this way when the fish is here they can sell the fish fast, that why the fish died so fast. They don't care. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettin Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Yup chin is right, Its because the importers / suppliers dont want to pay $$ for the better quality fish, and therefore we have to settle for the crappy ones. simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 are there many discus fans pushing for the importers to bring in higher quality discus? surely if an importer got enough interest in higher quality fish from whatever breeder they would look into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Yea, but that'd prob just end up like the guppies, or amazon fish. Don't get me wrong, I'd be all for bettering the quality of discus in this country, however, there would have to be a LOT of interest for it to happen. High quality discus would come with a high quality price tag too, if they're anything like the prices of the ones already, which some people I am sure would find slightly unappealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Its because the importers / suppliers dont want to pay $$ for the better quality fish Everyone wants better fish but they dont want to pay for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Actually I would pay for really good quality. There was an amazing red snakeskin type discus I remember at living waters in Tauranga once, when they were part of Palmers. Next time I went back it was gone, so I assume it sold, $200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chin168 Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Pushing for importers to bring in highter quality discus??? You know, 2 days ago I was told that, importer Aquarius have some Red Spotted Green and Leopard. So I place an order for 2 Red Spotted Green and 2 Leopard. The discus arrivel today so I go and pisk up the fish from the fishshop. Do you know what I found, 2 poor skinny Red Spotted Green and 2 (Leopard???) , was told is a Leopard, but is not, when I look at the discus is 100% a Pigeon. How can Aquarius say is a Leopard, when is not. :oops: Just imagine, how are we going to ask this people to bring in higher quality discus where they don't even know what discus they are selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Maybe the overseas exporter does not even know what he is sending? It is not always the importers fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 agreed, while the importers often see the pictures its down to the exporters to send over the right stock and when the importers know little about the fish they are unable to spot the difference. i would also pay more for higher quality discus but i would draw a line, not because i dont want to spend X amount of dollars but because i cant (im a poor student) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Sorry to hear your experience Chin I hope you didn't pay top dollar, though I'm guessing you did, unless you didn't go through with the deal? (to put it nicely). Hehe...good Sharn pleased to hear you 'would' spend dollars on quality if you 'could' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Time for some pic relief I think guys and girls... Here's discus garden getting refilled, I love the way the water looks as it fills, looks like a water fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettin Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Maybe the overseas exporter does not even know what he is sending? It is not always the importers fault. An importer should at least know what they are importing and distributing. If someone has x fish on their list, they must supply x fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 This is what real discus look like. drug free http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gallerie/Diskuswildf%E4nge/INDEX.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 An importer should at least know what they are importing and distributing. If someone has x fish on their list, they must supply x fish. lol, no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Hi guys, Here is a photo of the discus everyone is talking about. This discus is available in Penang, Malaysia not in NZ. Albinos Cheers, Chin Hey Chin, why are these called albino's? They don't have the red pupil associated with albinism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 antwan - they do have a red pupil, its a dark red. have another look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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