Brianemone Posted May 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 im not having a hood, thats why it wouldnt really suit, i dont really want any exposed areas other than the tank its self andso i dont really want a sump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 what happens if it goes sexual, this is a small simple system im guessing he doesnt plan to put a U.V on it. Also most true algae scrubbers are very large and cumbersome. Using something like zeo will immediately absorb all NH4, so you wont need a denitrator, plus in a tank that size it ill be cheap as to run. Also to be a true algae scubber the surface area should be nearly as large as the tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 I'm not at all convinced on the algae turf scrubber. It does not do the same thing as a protein skimmer by any means. It can't possibly. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Agree with Layton (again! must be a full moon). There is no doubt that algae/calurpa can take out some badness the same as a protien skimmer. Also no doubt that they take out goodness as well, same a a skimmer. I do doubt that they remove different bits of 'goodness' and 'badness'. One thing to remeber is that a simmer ONLY removes from the system, where algae/calurpa add's to the system too. Hence the excessive yellowing seen in systems running calurpa. Calurpa will absorb P04, which is good, but little doubt it removes other unwanted and wanted elements. Also a skimmer is a more 'constant' export system. Calurpa systems have peeks and troughs. I use both, but only a small about of calurpa by most's standards. I may be helping alittle, but certainly not a lot. But I like the fact that my pod poulation is greatly improved with the presence of the calurpa. Pies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Brianemone If you don't want to use a hang on of some kind you could make a small system of some type in the tank itself, in a corner maybe or along the top inside edge at the back with an acrylic canister of some kind to lift out the media or what ever you want to use. This would probably be the best if not the only way if you don't want anything on the outside. dogmatix what happens if it goes sexual, this is a small simple system im guessing he doesnt plan to put a U.V on it. It is all the time but all of the nutriants are consumed in the srubber at a very high rate leaving nothing in the tank for any algae to consume. Also most true algae scrubbers are very large and cumbersome. No they are not, A turf scrubber is a turf scrubber, I think the ones that you are thinking of are the dump bucket type, However I have made some small ones of that type that measure 300mm x 150mm x 50mm. Also to be a true algae scubber the surface area should be nearly as large as the tanks Where on earth did you read that. Iduncan It does not do the same thing as a protein skimmer by any means. It can't possibly. Dead write. Turf scrubbers remove amonia before it break down, urea, nitrates, nitrites, nitrogen, phoshates, phophorus, carbon, bicarbonate ions, metals and calcium. Calcium is the one drawback. They produce a high level of O2 saturated water increase the PH and produce allot of vitamins that are needed in a reef that nothing else produces. Protein skimmers do not discriminate and remove everything including the things that are needed, and they don't put anything back that is needed. Scrubbers have a high intensity Flourecent light about 25-50mm away from the algae which causes a highly accellerated growth rate. Pies There is no doubt that algae/calurpa can take out some badness the same as a protien skimmer. Calurpa is not used in turf scrubbers at all and never will be, it is used in Refugiums which are a completly differant form of filtration. Also a skimmer is a more 'constant' export system. Calurpa systems have peeks and troughs. Turf scrubbers remove what is available,when it is available. Once again your talking about the wrong type of algae filter. Hence the excessive yellowing Yellowing is not caused by algae, it is caused by an imbalance in the ecology of the tank which could be a number of things. None of the tanks that I used scrubbers on were ever yellow, they were crystal clear Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Turf scrubbers remove amonia before it break down, urea, nitrates, nitrites, nitrogen, phoshates, phophorus, carbon, bicarbonate ions, metals and calcium. What about everything else? Where does that go? To me turf scrubbers are a waste of time and space. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 What is a scrubber? Usually a chick from west auckland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 lol. Westy chick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 if i dont have any fish in there will i need a surface skimmer/overflow??? i shouldnt get the yucky film on the top if ive got next to no animal bioload correct??? im only planning on a snail or two and if i can find one then a hermit crab as well to turn over the sand bed, or a radiant wrasse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petplanet Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 If there is enough water movement you shouldn't but if there is not you will get the film in the dead spots. You collect a lot of small bubbles on the surface with a very small amount of surface scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 guess i might give the whole overflow thing a skip then. should get the tank drilled this week. Just go to find a suitable cannister filter or make one. and then paint the back again, and set her up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 if i dont have any fish in there will i need a surface skimmer/overflow??? i shouldnt get the yucky film on the top if ive got next to no animal bioload correct??? Corals produce a fair bit of waste, you will need some sort of surface skimming to avoid the film. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 surface skimming is easy enough to do. I think ill have to mod one of those surface skimmers as the adjust to the height of the water whereas anover flow box with a mini durso would break syphon once the water level dropped below a certain point (obviously the viaaqua thing would to but at least it would give me a bit of working room over the weekend when i cant monitor the water level) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 how do you guys think a monti would do under my pc light?? it would only be about 5-10cm away from the light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Sorry er no, Control wrote Where on earth did you read that. Book of coral propogation; Anthony Calfo Controll wrote It is all the time but all of the nutriants are consumed in the srubber at a very high rate leaving nothing in the tank for any algae to consume. You do understand what Sexual repoduction in algae involves ie the mass release of spores into the water. When it gows this is all it is, growth or asexual reproduction. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Sorry er no, i where talking about the monti, please dont growl me mr dogmatix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Sorry er no, why not? some montipora do not need lots of light. medium to low light is more then enough, if you don,t believe me come around see my tank. will,post some pic's in the next couple of days of the same monti under differend light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Sorry er no, why not? some montipora do not need lots of light. medium to low light is more then enough, if you don,t believe me come around see my tank. will,post some pic's in the next couple of days of the same monti under differend light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Wasnt talking about the monti's, infact its mor than possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 hey chris would you consider the red monti i got from you to be in a low light area of your tank?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 just showed reef two of my monti. capricornis from totaly different spots in the tank. one could think they were two different species. the one directly under the 150w m/h in 15cm of water is very light in colour with purple growth were the second sits next to the return pipe with very little light at all. that ones colour is dark brown with white growth around the edges. the growth rate seems to be about the same. (fast that is, bye bye calcium) :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 same coral in different positions in the tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 I only see onw picture, and two red X's Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 the peice i got from you is looking really good, lightish brown with a nice purple rim that is starting to get brighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted June 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 heres a Q for you guys that have hansen fittings the tank is being drilled today so ill probably fiddle around with things in the weekend. the question is do you use the linings that they come with (black rubbery peice) ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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