Phantom Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 What about a Berlin Turbo Skimmer Classic? Any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzy Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 not really, again its a very old outdated style skimmer like the aquaone or red sea stuff. You would be much better to look in the BM range or some other newer skimmer. Also you cant look at the skimmer as you do with a canister filter for fresh water that uses lph turnover etc, skimmers are normally based on volume of the tank and i would suggest you try to get some thing around 2x what your tank volume will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Ahh OK. Yeah I was kind of comparing it that way. I was in at redwood aq here in chch and the guy was recommending the Berlin stuff or Dymax, but also said the Aqua Ones were probably OK too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 they only sell dymax and berlin and the stock has been there for ages too , mind you they dont even use those brands on their tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Have a look at the deepblue site, it has a good range and they ship. If you fancy high end deltec skimmers - ask Hollywood for a price, they ship also. and as above, there are much better skimmers for less cost than a berlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcs Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 No skimmer better than cheap skimmer. At least when you dont have a skimmer you stock / maintain accordingly, whearas having a skimmer allows you to be a bit slack with such things - a cheap skimmer simply doesnt pick up that slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 No skimmer better than cheap skimmer. At least when you dont have a skimmer you stock / maintain accordingly, whearas having a skimmer allows you to be a bit slack with such things - a cheap skimmer simply doesnt pick up that slack. Cheap should be replaced by poor or old fashioned. Some of the Berlin or redsea aint cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Reason I asked about that a store is selling the Berlin for $295, RRP seems to be $700+. Redwood recommended one, said they were running one on one of their display tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 i have one of those Berlins and i replaced it as it is VERY picky to adjust etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Reason I asked about that a store is selling the Berlin for $295, RRP seems to be $700+. Redwood recommended one, said they were running one on one of their display tanks. Once again, you can buy a very nice Bubble magnus for $300 that will be twice the skimmer that thing is - do you not wonder why they are trying so hard to get rid of it. Everyone keeps telling you this, yet you keep coming up with the above. My last word on skimmers for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Once again, you can buy a very nice Bubble magnus for $300 that will be twice the skimmer that thing is - do you not wonder why they are trying so hard to get rid of it. Everyone keeps telling you this, yet you keep coming up with the above. My last word on skimmers for you. OK, I'll go for a BM I was only asking about some of these others based on information given to me by LFS's and things I'd seen available locally. I'm now looking at avoiding the sump idea if I can (due to the lack of space for one) and going with a HOB Bubble Magus NAC5e. Any pro's / con's of that one? I see it's rated for 300 - 500L. Is there any benefit in running 2 of them? You're also right, the price of BM's is rather competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 i reckon you would be ok with one of them they are quite a big skimmer its just over 50cm tall. from what ive heard they are quite good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm now looking at avoiding the sump idea if I can (due to the lack of space for one) and going with a HOB Bubble Magus NAC5e. Any pro's / con's of that one? I see it's rated for 300 - 500L. Is there any benefit in running 2 of them? well i dont no much bout marine, but id say the more media you have the better, cos it can hold more bacteria to use ammonia etc, so 2 would be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 well i dont no much bout marine, but id say the more media you have the better, cos it can hold more bacteria to use ammonia etc, so 2 would be better Hehe you don't know much about marine then It doesn't have any media at all .. but sure, I absolutely agree with you from a freshwater point of view. I run excessive filtration on all my freshwater tanks I've heard you can overdo skimming though, if there isn't enough to skim out. Any truth to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 i think you just end up skimming out trace elements which will happen to a degree anyway( a lot of people dose trace because of this) if theres nothing to skim out it wont skim anything so its not so much of a problem really you would need to spend a lot of money to overskim a 450l tank though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettin Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 OK, I'll go for a BM I was only asking about some of these others based on information given to me by LFS's and things I'd seen available locally. I'm now looking at avoiding the sump idea if I can (due to the lack of space for one) and going with a HOB Bubble Magus NAC5e. Any pro's / con's of that one? I see it's rated for 300 - 500L. Is there any benefit in running 2 of them? You're also right, the price of BM's is rather competitive. I find that many LFS lack in up to date reefing / marine information and it is best to seek advice online and through other reef / marine specific forums. If I had ever only gone to buy everything and listen to everything from the lfs id end up broke and in debt trying to buy everything they suggested to deal with this and that, upgrading equipment which they said should be good and in the end Id have a damn fugly reef tank. Puttputt has had one of the best reef tanks in the country with many years of experience, im surprised you didnt take his advice any sooner :facepalm: Rant over, and back to some sound advice, Id strongly recommend going with a skimmer thats rated for twice your water volume. With a 450L tank, take into account glass thickness, rock, sand volume and displacement you will not end up with 450L. It is hard to overskim, but do not buy two skimmers, thats twice the cleaning and double the amount of things which could go wrong, do it once and do it right. If you manage to fit in a sump and with a budget of $300 id say go for a NAC6A or better yet, spend an extra $50 and get the NAC7 it is a highly rated skimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettin Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Here is some credibility where it is due: Puttputt's old reef tank: Here's a few of mine: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hehe you don't know much about marine then It doesn't have any media at all .. but sure, I absolutely agree with you from a freshwater point of view. I run excessive filtration on all my freshwater tanks I've heard you can overdo skimming though, if there isn't enough to skim out. Any truth to that? ohh sorry :facepalm: :oops: :oops: :oops: , but my point of view with fish tanks is they can never have to much filteration (within reason , like dont go putting a pool pool filter on a 100L tank :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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