lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 How do you think iron ions will end up? It begins with R Wrong. Free iron ions in water will not end up as rust. You add rust. I tilt the balance - no trouble Are you sure? Do you know what zeobac is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I tilt the balance- i use NSW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Can Habib help?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Wrong. Free iron ions in water will not end up as rust. You add rust. Here is another one of those "I dissagree you're wrong" statements with no explanation or evidence. Please explain how it is that iron ions cannot end up as rust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Interesting.....Aluminium....sulphide...... Aluminium sulphate is a pool floculant which clears up water extremely efficiently.(I maintain the local School swimming pool and use this frequently). I must say zeovit tanks are extremely clear. I wonder if this is linked somehow. (Just to add a spanner to the works)!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Cracker, some iron compounds have that property too. Wasp, iron found in tanks is bound organically. With small amounts occuring as Fe(OH)3. These don't just decide to precipitate out unless you upset the chemistry of the tank dramatically. Not that that matters anyhow. The point was that many natural zeolites contain iron oxide. And obviously many phosphate removers are pure iron oxide. So, makes you wonder what the link is between phosphate remover related coral losses, and zeovit related losses doesn't it? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Hmmm... Well perhaps you're onto something, but really I wouldn't know. However I would have thought that too much Al2S3 floating around would have a negative effect on corals. Hows that anemone? still on the mend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I'm not talking about Al at all. Aluminosilicates are not very soluble, so i'd be surprised if much aluminium is leached from these materials. If it does it would be more likely from other aluminium compounds. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Not that that matters anyhow. The point was that many natural zeolites contain iron oxide. And obviously many phosphate removers are pure iron oxide. So, makes you wonder what the link is between phosphate remover related coral losses, and zeovit related losses doesn't it? Layton Hmmm... Well maybe this zeolite thing is more complex than we thought? Talking coral losses and other supposed zeovit related problems, if you overdose kalk you'll get problems. So is the problem in the kalk, or in the overdosing? I've taken things quietly, not overdosed, and have lost nothing other than one frag due to a powerhead accident. Admittedly I don't exactly have a huge number of corals, but what I do have is nice and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I'm not talking about Al at all. Layton I was talking to Cracker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Hmmm... Well maybe this zeolite thing is more complex than we thought? Talking coral losses and other supposed zeovit related problems, if you overdose kalk you'll get problems. So is the problem in the kalk, or in the overdosing? Well i think it is the fact that what I suspect is causing the problem is a biological process. It's hard to control, chemistry is easy to control compared with this. But if the biological process is limited by something, then the problems will be much less evident. But if the process gets out of hand (not necessarily by overdosing) then the problems become obvious. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 here is a thread about purigen. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=482205&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Problems? I cannot think of any problems with coral health in my tank (Humble as it may be) In the zeovit tanks I've seen, 4 total, didn't see any problems. I've heard about problems, and in every case I can think of it is beginners who overdosed. What about all the non zeovit tanks with problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 in nz do we have pure zeovit tanks.?? i am talking about tanks with pure sps corals, as this is what zeovit was meant to be for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Wasp, don't stoop to RC regurge. So, unusually low zooxanthellae levels in corals is not a problem? Overdosing of what? What does a normal dosing do, keep the corals at the brink of death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 in nz do we have pure zeovit tanks.?? i am talking about tanks with pure sps corals, as this is what zeovit was meant to be for. Dunno. Let's fight about Purigen! :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Wasp, don't stoop to RC regurge. . ? You've lost me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I've heard about problems, and in every case I can think of it is beginners who overdosed. What about all the non zeovit tanks with problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 What? Yeah the problems I heard about were on Reef Central. So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Hey, this is getting circuitus. Let's talk Purigen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 You know what I mean. What about purigen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 What about purigen? Well - is it a glorified carbon, and does it reduce phosphate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 1. Maybe 2. Don't know. I don't think that is what the manufacturer claims it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Layton - I think I have found the answer to your questioning about UV & ozone in relation to zeovit. The bit quoted from JB NY is in reference to another party attempting to speculate zeovit leaches something harmful. Here is a cut and paste from Reef Central:- Pardon the RC regurge "quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by JB NY He thinks it is Iron and Aluminum, didn't we already agree to this like ten pages ago? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe, As far as I know he has speculated many things. Even if it is iron or aluminum are there any studies which show that one or both of them can give the results one is seeing? FWIW I also don't see the link to not using UV or ozone. Just in case: If he comes out speculating that organics bound to them will release the metals in toxic amounts when UV or ozone or both are used then I'll prove that it was another speculation". __________________ This post is by Habib, (Mr. Salifert) And again by Habib :- "Is there a concern for leaching, Some have speculated that the Zeovit zeolite is leaching things into the water causing the effects. IMO there are plenty of experiments showing this NOT to be the case. I think those speculations can be ruled out". __________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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