lduncan Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 We argued over this before, glad you have realised now. Where? I don't recall. Sometimes yes, sometimes no Name sometime when phosphate is really limiting in a tank? But they need phosphate What for? You still don't see the full story What's the full story then? a drop big enough to be of catastrophic consequence would 75% drop over a day be enough, maybe 99.99% ? correct but not the full story Again, what's the full story? some irony in that remark Layton Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Well to properly answer the questions you raised, I'd have to do a lot of writting, and also find references to back the case. I cannot be bothered, because frankly, these questions have pretty much been done to death already, and I am surprised you are still raising them. An example is this :- Name sometime when phosphate is really limiting in a tank? You mean you still don't know? Why then do people have macro algae refugiums to remove it & control nuisance algae in the tank? Quote - "Phosphate can also be a limiting nutrient for algae growth." - Randy Holmes Farley http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-11/rhf/ I rest my case. And, I keep forgetting I said this I will try to refrain from arguing over stupidities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 What sort of problems could it cause on Fays tank.??First there is no real scientific proof that phosphate removers cause problems when using with zeovit and she cant get RTN as she does not have any SPS coral I don't know what problems it may cause. I just believe manufacturers recommendations should be followed. However, in Fays case, with the ongoing problem, plus no sps, and Brendan has OK'ed it, guess it may be worth a shot. I'll add that it's great to see the results reported thus far. Seems rust has it's uses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Well to properly answer the questions you raised, I'd have to do a lot of writting, and also find references to back the case. I didn't ask you to prove it, give me an explaination, and I'll try and prove it to myself. I cannot be bothered, because frankly, these questions have pretty much been done to death already, and I am surprised you are still raising them. An example is this :- You mean you still don't know? Why then do people have macro algae refugiums to remove it & control nuisance algae in the tank? How do you know it's phosphate which is limiting, and not something else? Quote - "Phosphate can also be a limiting nutrient for algae growth." - Randy Holmes Farley http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-11/rhf/ I rest my case. That's "CAN" be true, for algae "GROWTH", but can you achieve this consistently and easily in an aquarium? This has absolutely nothing to do with your theory of zooxanthellae being expelled due to a rapid drop in nutrients. It means that growth may be stunted. And, I keep forgetting I said this Well, stop to think about what you are saying then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 We argued over this before, glad you have realised now. Where? I don't recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 This is circuitous and has to end somewhere. I'd be very surprised if anybody else really cares. So Again... I will try to refrain from arguing over stupidities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Fine, just as long as you realise that the rapid drop in these nutrients will not cause bleaching, or tissue loss. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 :lol: :lol: I'll still go with Thomas Pohl. I'm still keen on good discussion though. Just not 10 pages of pointless argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 I'm still keen on good discussion though. You start. Not much to discuss really. A proverb comes to mind. "You can lead a horse to water..." Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wasp Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Had my water tested today, checked out OK. We also tested the NSW I use for top off, interestingly the tank water had lower Po4 than the NSW I use for water changes, as I had suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 What does your water change water test at for phosphate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 With the hobby kit I use, it is undetectable, but with the fancy gizmo's we had today, it was detectable, but low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 What fancy gizmo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Showing my ignorance here, I can't even remember what it exactly was. Some top of the line kit, and also an electronic gizmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Colorimeter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 You're onto it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 wow, normal conversation again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Deltec thingimebob wasnt it wasp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Craig you have a way with words :lol: Thanks to the person who was able to help me out with this. Great kit. Easy to use and accurate. Nice to get an official verdict on nutrient levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Nice to see wasp and Layton talking normal... Tis a rare sight these days!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Hmmm... yes. I think Layton left town just after my water got tested. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 No, just waiting for something stupid to be said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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