xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 how closely can you breed fish? i got two fighters off a hobby breeder and he couldnt remeber if they had the same fathers or not?? i dont really want to risk it but a shame as they are both beautifulll fish,i have lots of different pairs so can easily mix and match,i always keep records of who comes from who tho,if it happened that they did 'interbreed' do you get deformed fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davd-lw Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 how closely can you breed fish? i got two fighters off a hobby breeder and he couldnt remeber if they had the same fathers or not?? i dont really want to risk it but a shame as they are both beautifulll fish,i have lots of different pairs so can easily mix and match,i always keep records of who comes from who tho,if it happened that they did 'interbreed' do you get deformed fish? you will, and the numbers of fries in a batch is not great, and servival rate is really low. or color goes pale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 It's fine to do that, that's how today's strains were created. Breeding father-daughter or brother-sister is quite common, it's actually quite desirable. It does have it's downsides though. Say the father has an awesome tail spread but a weak body, breeding him with his daughter may produce fish with big tails, but also weak bodies. That's when you have to "cross" with another fish, preferably from another line and not some random fish. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 It's fine to do that, that's how today's strains were created. Breeding father-daughter or brother-sister is quite common, it's actually quite desirable. It does have it's downsides though. Say the father has an awesome tail spread but a weak body, breeding him with his daughter may produce fish with big tails, but also weak bodies. That's when you have to "cross" with another fish, preferably from another line and not some random fish. HTH really wow i thought people steered clear of closely related fish lol,i still think i wont pair these two,its 50/50 whether they where related or not but ive got others that will pair with these two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Isn't interbreeding when you breed random fish together? Correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps try linebreeding if you have a goal (http://www.angelsplus.com/ArticleLinebreeding.htm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1CK Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Its fine as long as you outcross to other every 4/5 generations, its how to cement their genetics (for need of a better word :lol:). But its a bad idea if the parents have bad genetics And your title should be inbreeding and if you are trying to create a strain of colour/morph, Line breeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 :oops: :oops: i meant inbreeding :oops: :oops: sorry lol wrong word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 another question,im breeding another pair 1st,theres been alot of squeezing but no eggs as yet and she is FAT!!!!! lol,also she has a couple of bites to her tail,whats the best meds for that? im going down to the pet shop when theyve finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I've found a good protein rich diet, warm, clean water and a bit of salt is good for fin wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Re inbreeding, yes you can and in theory can do so for about 4-5 generations. I have many years ago tried it and it resulted in weak, deformed fish with bodies decreasing in size from the third generation on. Once I outsourced different males there were no probs. You can pretty much say that for hobby breeders if the fish are the same age, or look the same then they are from the same spawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You can pretty much say that for hobby breeders if the fish are the same age, or look the same then they are from the same spawn. :-? Really? I had fish from the same spawn that were twice the size of each other, maybe more. The smaller ones didn't make it but I read that it's not uncommon to have different sized fish from the same spawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I've found a good protein rich diet, warm, clean water and a bit of salt is good for fin wounds. sweet i do that for the females after breeding anyway and i add a little bit of aquarium salt if its been especially long or the male has been nippy...this is where i miss my old fighter pair blue and ember.....they had 4 lots of fry without a singlr nip or scratch!!!! just used to put them in the tank and away they went!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 :-? Really? I had fish from the same spawn that were twice the size of each other, maybe more. The smaller ones didn't make it but I read that it's not uncommon to have different sized fish from the same spawn. sorry I was referring to the fact that the breeder didn't know if they were from the same spawn or not. Look - as in colouring, tail type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 sorry I was referring to the fact that the breeder didn't know if they were from the same spawn or not. Look - as in colouring, tail type. Ah, right. I wish my fish would breed true, I have a white/blue and a couple of red ones :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 you'd be very lucky to get any NZ bred to breed true unless all parents were imports of the same colour. Because so few females come in breeders need to breed to other colours frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davd-lw Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 MELAFIX is really good for wound, anf damaged fins. but they are not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdarnixx Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 yea i keep meaning to get some of that melafix but always end up comming home with something else lol,like 5 different types of fish food lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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