killifan Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 are Honey Gouramis a different branch to Blue Dwarfs or just lemon coloured Blue Dwarfs? Are Blue Dwarfs only blue or in different colours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 im pretty sure there is a whole range of dwarf gourami Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Honey gouramis are a different species to the blue dwarf gourami. Honey gouramis Trichogaster chuna and the blue one is Colisa lalia. I am not sure which species some of the variants fall into, eg sunset gourami. I think they have been selectivly bred and possibly crossed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 The honey gourami belong to the Colias Family of Gouramis Some of which follow with their common name C. fasciata - Indian or Giant gourami (don't confuse with the Osphronemus goramy - Giant goramy {or gourami}). C. labiosa - Thicklip gourami C. lalia - Dwarf gourami C. sota - Honey dwarf gourami. So as you can see there is a nice range of that famly to tempt most breeders. Shame it is so hard to get them in their natural colours any more. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 The honey gourami belong to the Colias Family of Gouramis Apparently not any more. The only fish recognised as still in the Colisa genus is Colisa lalia. The others have been moved: C. fasciata - valid name is Polyacanthus fasciatus C. labiosa - valid name is Trichogaster labiosus C. sota - an old name for Trichogaster chuna (which has also been known as Colisa chuna) reference below: Colisa valid names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 While the currently valid scientific name for Honey Gourami's is Trichogaster chuna (not sota) many people still use Colisa chuna (or sota) - doesn't really matter - we're all talking about the same fish. I not sure of the reasons for shifting it to the Trichogaster genus - but the reason for the sota/chuna mix up is because the males and females are so different in colouring - the males got called one species and the females a different one. Honey gouramis seem to come in two main colour forms - the natural one and one that gets called golden (a selectively bred xanthistic form). As has been mentioned already they are a different species from the Dwarf Gourami (Colisa lalia) - the dwarf gourami comes in a range of selectively bred colour forms (eg Sunset, Neon blue, Peacock) with the natural colouration not commonly seen now. There also seems to be a range of dwarf gouramis that look to be the result of crossbreeding between T. chuna and C. lalia - these often seem to have browny/red browny/orange colouring and be larger than the Honey gouramis, sometimes as large as dwarf gouramis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killifan Posted October 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 so how big are Honey Gouramis then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 They are the smallest of the Colisia?? family. The book says 6cm, but I've never seen one that big, haven't seen them to 5cm even. I'm gunna resort back to common names. Stuff it Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 . I'm gunna resort back to common names. Alan 104 :lol: i have always said common names are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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