natscat Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hey Guys I've a few sick fish and cant work out what is going on. Ammonia is 0 Nitrite is 0.1 Nitrate N/A PH is about 7.2 Tank is a 6x2x21/2 running a 3' sump and a Otto 750N. The fish in mention are three whiptails, common pleco, gold pleco, two ghost knifes, four bristlenose but other fish seem to be ok just a bit slow. There are no visable sighs of diease or fungus. Six days ago i had a white spot outbreak and dosed straight away. There are no signs of it ATM. Any info greatly accepted Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 What is an Otto 750N? Any possiblity of something being sprayed near the tank? I assume it is a well established aquarium and been running for quite a while with no problems? Do you know what caused the whitespot outbreak? This is a result of stress or poor water conditions. You say they are sick. What symptoms do they have? Lesions? Rapid breathing? Off their food? etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natscat Posted July 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hey Caryl A Otto 750N is a powerhead. No there is nothing sprayed into or near the tank. Its been running for about.....six or seven weeks. I think it was brought in with the clown loaches i got about two weeks ago because all the fish apart form the loaches were in a 4' and have not had WS for a long time. The fish are, yes, off their food, loss of colour and lethargic and general lifelessness. I think it might have been the medication i was using or the method i was using it in. Acutally all the fish are a bit stun mullet at the moment. I dont know what to do really. Thanks anyway Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 I don't know much about disease but I understood loaches were very sensitive to white spot meds. I assume the new tank was set up using filters that had been running in the smaller one and some of the old tank water so you didn't have to cycle it? Were the clowns not quarantined first? They are very susceptible to white spot. Perhaps the behaviour is a leftover from treatment? Anyone else able to help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natscat Posted July 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 I had some filter media from my 4' and brought some stuff called rapid tank cycle or something like that. Its basically like adding ammonia until it reaches 5ppm so the bacteria has enough food for the cycle which speeds up the process. The tank cycled in about 6-7 days. The clowns werent quarantined (naughty naughty i know) but the state i got them in was shocking, there was almost no black colouring on them, so i put them straight into the tank. i have already done two large water changes since the second dose of medication. Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi Nick... Welcome to the forums There are not many meds that you can 'safely' use with your range of fish, and it sounds to me like the after effects of the meds that are your prob. Your tank (despite your readings) may not be fully cycled, plus if you left the filters in while using the meds, the chances are that any benificial bacteria wil be long gone by now. More regular water changes should help, plus a good diet (perhaps live food if you can get it) as this could perk their interest up. Clowns seem to take some time to become accustomed to their tank and surroundings, and as above... can get the old WS at the drop of a net. The WS can also run the fish down to a great extent, and if they survive they often take some time to recover. What temp are you running at...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natscat Posted July 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Thanks very much Bill There was no carbon in the tank while the medication was going. I have always wondered A. the amount of bacteria that is killed off for the duration of the medication and B. why cant bacteria grow on medication residue but have avoided this problem with products such as Geo and EasyLife. Actually, the clowns are little down but are one of the perkyer fishes in there at the moment. My Whiptails at the moment are on their backs and not lookin to flash. Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Do you have enough surface agitation is the spray bar/sump outlets in the water or above? Maybe add some airstones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natscat Posted July 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 The spray bar is near the surface of the water and my air pump is connected to my powerhead. Thanks for all the help guys, things (i think) are starting to calm down now but im going to convert the tank into salt so my brother is going to take the fish. Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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