cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pe ... 956636.htm i am going to use it as a FOWLR tank. 540L how many kg of live rock would i need would 11 Kg be enough?? and for filtration what do i need? Sump... Skimmer is that needed for a FOWLR tank or not. Also What Fish I like Clowns, Yellow Tangs what else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 In the photo it looks like it has no bracing? If that is the case, then you seriously need to brace it Anyway, sump would be best, but with a FOWLR tank you could quite easily get away with not having one. You will need a grunty skimmer, which i'd budget around $400 for. 11kg wouldnt be very much in that tank; in fact, 100kg probably would be minimal in that tank :lol: You dont need heaps, but i'd look at getting around 20-30 to start with Fishwise, you can get whatever you want 8) Its a decent sized tank, so any of the larger tangs would be fairly happy in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Also, I guess probably everybody knows by know how I feel about using cannisters for biological filtration in a reef tank, I keep prattling on at people not to do it. :oops: . However, in a FO tank, you CAN. - BUT, not too much the major bacterial media should still be liverock. The reason is, fish can handle a reasonable amount of nitrate, although none is still better for them. The thing with cannisters and other such as HOB, is that they respond quicker than liverock to an increase in bioload, or just to get started in the first place when the tank is new. But they will only reduce ammonia and nitrite, you'll want the liverock for the nitrate. So if you cannot afford a big amount of liverock straight off, in a FO a cannister may be used. But nitrate will need to be regularly measured, and if you can add some more liverock in time, remove a bit of media from the cannister, to keep nitrate as low as possible. If nitrate is just too high, turn the cannister off. BTW, about what fish, there is a bit of a discussion on that in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 if i use a sump what do i put in it to take all the excess food ect..... out i have a protein skimmer from a 600L tank Also what would be the min and max LPH power head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Also do i still need to cycle the rock for 6 weeks before it goes in the tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 In the photo it looks like it has no bracing? If that is the case, then you seriously need to brace it i will brace it. the guy said it was pretty much brand new it has only once been used and it was not for fish. It had 6 inch of ice and 15 dozen beers in it 8) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 if i use a sump what do i put in it to take all the excess food ect..... out i have a protein skimmer from a 600L tank . Put the protein skimmer in it. As to what else, for most marine tanks a protein skimmer and the liverock is all the filtration there is. However for you, you will probably want the liverock in the tank for decoration, rather than the sump. If you decide to use other filtration, such as, carbon, UV, phosphate reactor, or whatever, all this goes in the sump. Also what would be the min and max LPH power head. I'm assuming you mean in the tank for flow? If so, there is no min or max, but more flow will tend to mean cleaner water, with dirt getting shunted around till it's filtered, plus better aeration. Personally I wouldn't consider anything less than 5 x's flow for a FO, but more, perhaps 10 x's would be better. So, to achieve 5 x's, you go 540 litres, x's 5 = 2,700 litres per hour. But that is not the whole story, the other part of it is to make sure there are no, or hardly any, dead spots in the tank, this requires some experimentation when you are placing your pumps. Dead spots create foul water and should be dispersed. Also do i still need to cycle the rock for 6 weeks before it goes in the tank YES!!! And that's at a minimum, until nitrite measures zero, it might take more than 6 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 my big rock thats just over 1.1kg took 6 weeks to fully cycle if you use a sump you have a place to put heaters etc in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Funny actually, not so long ago we had a whole bunch of people all setting up Red Sea Max tanks. Now it looks like the thing is FO tanks. :lol: Good though to have some FO people among us, it enables some of the less common fish to be kept, and it will be great to see some nice pics when the time comes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 yea it would be great to see some more fish !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifty Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Aren't FO tanks how most of us started in this hobby. If I had my time over again I would only stock the tank with reef safe fish as eventaully you will have a reef and then have to get rid of some of your fish, I personally hated having to remove my emperior angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 11kg wouldnt be very much in that tank; in fact, 100kg probably would be minimal in that tank :lol: You dont need heaps, but i'd look at getting around 20-30 to start with 50Kg LR would be fine in total. 100KG is ALOT of rock even in a 500-600L tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 depends on how much rock you want if you want a large open area like the other thread then 11 kgs could work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 How much is coral rock at pet shops Per Kg (i figured that you would know wilson) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 at organism its $10.90 a kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 :lol: no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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