discus_boy Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I have recently bought a pair of blue turgs and I have had them for 3 4 months. they are just not interested i tried separating the male for 24 hours and nothing has happened i have done 50 % water daily changes the ph is 6.4 it is rain water. have put peat moss in there water feeding twice a day and unable to feed anymore than twice a day because I am at school.temp 30 degrees. but the female doesn't really eat a lot though nor does the male they kind of bite it then spit it out again. It is really frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Have you tried different food? You wont have any luck conditioning them if they wont eat.. Are their poo's normal colour or white and stringy? How big is there tank? Are they happy or do they skitz out when you walk into the room? And are they a proven pair? Or just a "breeding pair" you brought off trademe or someone you don't really know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Sure they are male and female? Don't know a lot about discus but isn't 30 degrees a bit on the high side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I don't know I only had some for a few months and then sold them on when I got sick of water changes.. Id say 30 would be fine someone that actually breeds them may correct me.. Even if they're male and female they may not be compatible, do they fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 29/30 is the reccomended temp to keep discus at. Are they a proven pair would be the first question that needs to be answered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus_boy Posted October 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 i bought this pair off phil collis who I highly respect. The pair have normal poos long and brown and in have just found the food that they really enjoy. They don't skitts when i come in to the room. The male is nearly twice the size of the female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Sweet did he sell them as a breeding pair or a pair? So you've found a food they eat and don't spit out? Do they scrap.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus_boy Posted October 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 He said they were a breeding pair and they have had babies but the other discus have eaten them when he had them. They don't spit the food out. the tank is a 180 liter tank that has a divider in the middle so 90 liters for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I would probably just give Phil a call and ask him to give you some advice he breeds alot of discus If they pair get on are healthy and eating well there is no real reason why they shouldn't breed, maybe its just a waiting game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Yes, I'd also give Phil a call. Its probably just a case of waiting - the one thing I've learnt is that if fish don't want to breed you sure can't make them!! and then when you least expect it or are going on holiday it will happen!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 lol yeah it will happen the one time you don't have the time for it! Since my daughter was born a few weeks ago it seems every single fish has been breeding, have been sneaking out to the fish room to take care of them and getting in trouble with the wife :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 lol yeah it will happen the one time you don't have the time for it! Since my daughter was born a few weeks ago it seems every single fish has been breeding, have been sneaking out to the fish room to take care of them and getting in trouble with the wife :oops: Let us know how you get on with contacting Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 You're doing everything right with your water parameters etc. See if Phil has any photos of them breeding before. Sometimes they can shake at each other indicating they are a pair but not have actually gone any further than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus_boy Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 He just said to use rain water at 6.5 ph and keep the feeding up and they will turn aroud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Don't worry about messing with the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr pleco Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 ok discus boy couple of ideas ..yes i breed /bred discus before ..so try if you havent already putting the rain water in at 26 degrees about a third of the tank and just trickle it in discus do spit food back out usually when its a bit big for them but it is quite natural what spawning sites are available ? are the cones or pots ? try using tap water 1/3 if the rain water dosent work what food are you feeding them flake food dosent cut the mustard try either bloodworms ,or live daphnia ,or mossie larva ,whiteworms ,or a combination of all of them in conjuntion with the water changes what water flow does it have try a mature sponge filter turned down to a trickle they only spawn in near still water , no i correct myself they prefer and the fertility rate is higher in near still water any current and yr wasting yr time ... HTH oh and be patient some just take time p.s one way of having a proven pair is that they "flash" at each other this is best described as ....as the male passes the female side on he swims at 45 degrees and shimmys or flashes her she usually responds in the same manner at the same time but in the opposite direction . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus_boy Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 hay guys i do have a sponge filter that is in there. and I have a cone and a flat rock leaning on the side of the tank. I currently feed them discus tucker and they are enjoying that. i have currently separated the pair. and will put them back together on the weekend. and see how that goes and I have seen them doing the mating dance as describe by mr pleco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr pleco Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 personally i never seperate my pairs but again thats just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus_boy Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 could you tell me why as am interested in what you have to say. am up to new ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr pleco Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 well ill try , some breeders will tell you that put any two discus together and they will breed given the right conditions and to a point thats true but i have encountered numerous pairs that will only spawn with each other and literally die without them or take a huge amount of time to adjust if like you you only have one pair i see no reasoning in seperating them as they will condition no faster nor adore each other more for the experience in some fish seperation is necessary to "fatten "up the females but this has not been my experience in discus in fact most of my learning came from a" Don Hendly " who used to live in Green Bay and even had a visit from Jack Watley who was interested in how he got to breed the heckel discus i used to chop up ox heart for him as an apprentice butcher some 20 years ago and got my first discus from him at 16 yrs of age he was hugely repected in the discus field and had an amazing collection i understand he has since retired and moved south but he was a poineer in nz bred discus long before the Phil collis of this world there is something missing in yr equation for breeding it maybe the tank is too low to the gorund it may be ph it maybe the arent a pair the trick is to find whats missing key points are water temp variation (to initiate spawning only ) like 27-28 is enough still water ph is not major so long as its stable low gh and kh zero ammonia live food HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qichai Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 30 degree is not right for breeding discus. Around 27 would be better. If they are a breeding pair and had bred about 10 times it will take a while to lay eggs again. there are some ways to make them breed, like after you do 3 days normal water change, do a 80% or 90% water change, and lower down the temp from 27 to 25 and then back to 27 slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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