shadowfax Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 right the long story is, i shifted twice in 2 weeks, both went well for the fish, i had a spare tank so time in buckets was only going from one house to another, internal filter was in the tank so i just put it in a bucket aswell. its now been about 6 weks since the last shift & during that time i have lost 2 bumble bee garras, they seemed to go very red around the gills & died very fast, neon tetras have disappeared ( no big deal ) my geo sur's started flashing off the bottom, clamped fins & one went red inside its nostrils, died a few days later, theres 3 geo's 2 small & one about 10cm, 1 blue ram, 2 neons, 3 bn's & 1 small gold spot. the geo's are all flashing & twitching & the big one is getting what looks like white spot around his gills. ive tested the tank water, ph no far off what it was before shifting & water has been tested at the lfs & seems fine. over the last 6 weeks ive treated with salt then tried melafix & a dose of formalin & malachite green at 1/3 the dose ( because the lfs said it had killed theres when they used it) then a dose at 1/2 strength. the white lumps come & go & now they are back & my big geo is looking like a train wreck again. should i just flush the lot & start again, because the lfs dont know whats wrong & i dont know what to do next. any ideas would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 If you have two tanks (or access to a second), put all the survivors in one and do a complete strip-down of your other tank, disinfect it with salt water, then rinse everything out thoroughly. Put the disinfected and rinsed gravel back in, but leave eveything else out. Change your filter pads for new ones and restart you bacteria colony with cycle / filterstart or the like - double dose it. When the tank is cycled (or if you are prepared to do 95% water changes each day), transfer the healthy looking fish back in (catch them in a net so as to leave as much of the old water in the 'problem' tank as you can). Leave the sick ones in the other tank until they are either well again or dead. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayci Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Sounds like flukes either skin or gill flukes. Try doing what tHEcONCH said but treat all the fish with Prazi. Use doncit tablet, they seem to be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jn Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Shadowfax.. you were going to ask someone about getting prazi in fish sized amount.. any news? Sounds like you need some. Anyway this was the thread: http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/next-v ... c&start=15 See the post by Chaat who know where to get some adtape. There's a post around that explain how to dose with adtape. My local vet sells the adtape liquid in 50ml bottles for around $13.00 if that's any help to anyone But mayb you've got a vet there who can get you some? (I've never tried mu own vet.. I should cause it may work out cheaper than droncit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 just posted a reply to the thread in that link. i dont have a spare tank now :evil: i'll head off to the vets tomorrow but im not hopeful, ive tried getting my hands on stuff for my rabbits & didnt have any luck, its the same with stuff for fish, i need to get a supply from someone privately. just been watching the fish & even one of the bn's was twitching & the baby geo's & ram have just had twitching fits. if it comes to me flushing all my fish do i need to strip the tank or just do a huge water change & leave it for a while? theres alot of plants in there so could it be left with just them in it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayci Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 don't need a vet for doncit. goto to a farming supply store like RD1 or similiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jn Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I agree.. you must have a decent farm store in palmy! that's where I'm getting mine. Call them up and ask for some droncit. Or how about calling a vet that does farm animals and beging for adtape? or pm Chaat from that other thread and ask if he'll do you a deal and buy you some (of course he'll need some money for his trouble!) How big is your tank for the record? The flukes left behind in your tank would eventually die if you took out all the fish (I think they need to find a host within about 24 hours) but the eggs may take 4-5 days to hatch (from what I've read) so I reckon you'd have the leave the tank without fish for at least 10 days at a reasonably high temp to be 100% sure. If you go to the trouble I wouldn't reintroduce any of the old fish back without giving them a full course of treatment anyway. The only think is that if yuor tankis big.. maybe you could borrow a smaller one for treatment to save some money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 i'll try farmlands tomorrow after work, just chucked another dose of formalin & malachite in because they look like crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 the tank is about 350L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 right couldn't get any droncit, i might try a normal strength formalin & malachite unless there are any other suggestions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jn Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I'm sorry to hear you couldn't find any. I'd offer you some but I'm out myself and have been too flat out to get back to the farm store yet. If I can get there next week I'll buy up as much as I can and let you know. I know I said it before but have you tried sending a pm to chazza for some adtape? It's worth asking I reckon. Nothing to lose. Maybe if nothign else though the malachite formalin will keep the number down a little until you sore something else out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 talked to my local vet when I was in there yesterday and he said he knew nothing about fish med's but if I go in with a print out of what I want and know strengths etc he will happily give them to me.. This vet seemed reasonable enough that he probably wouldn't charge me a colsult, its probably worth a look at your vets over there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 been into the one that open here on the weekend & they wont dish anything out unless i take in the fish & even then they said they dont sell anything for fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 When your lfs tested the water. Did they test for ammonia, nitrate & nitrite? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 yip, they did the whole cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 been into my vet today & they have prazi tabs, 50mg, so from what i have been reading i need to dose 250mg per 100L for 3 days & do this for 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Glad to hear you got some meds shadowfox...I hope it all works out...keep us posted. Caper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsta Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hey Shadowfax - glad you got your hands on some Prazi - it sounds like that's what they need as flashing and twitching are signs of parasites and gill parasites like flukes. Can you please tell me - does the Prazi affect the water in colour/cloudiness? How much did it cost you from the vet? Thanks, and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 i did their first dose last nite & the water is still nice & clear, a packet of vetcare which is 50mg prazi is $52 or the droncit 50mg was $60, both for 50 tabs, the only difference was brand name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsta Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Thanks! Let us know how you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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