fishtv Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I woke up this morning to find my angel very unwell. He seemed to be fine last night My tank parameters are good and havent changed. Ive had a problem with amonia but have that sorted now. Could he still be unwell becasue of this? He is now in a hospital tank and it losing the ability to swim. He seems to be disorientated? Please help????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me love fishy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Can you post a photo? does he have any wounds, bulges or colouration that is unusual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Nope, No wounds, no discolouration, and no bulges. Sorry camera is playing up so cant get a photo up! He looks completely normal??? Maybe an inernal prob? He isn't lookin well tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Update: Angel really not looking well... Maybe nicer to put him down? Now my mollies and platties are looking a little sad. They are visually normal also but have clamped fins and are dwelling at the surface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpidersWeb Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Do a large water change, approximately 50%. If they improve within a few minutes, then its water quality. Also make sure the surface of the water is being disturbed by a filter or similar enough to keep the water oxygenated. How long ago was the ammonia problem? What filtration are you using? How big is the tank? I can't say for sure what to do with your angel, personally I'd put him down or double-dose him with Furan2 and cross my fingers. Thats just what I'd do, not necessarily the right thing. If you decide to put him down the fastest way is to put him in a bag and wack him over a hard table , if you want to avoid the nightmares you can get clove oil at your local chemist, cost me $9 for a small bottle but you dont use much and its great for toothache too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yea have done a 25% water change and will repeat again. I have a 160L sunsun tank with standard filtration. The amonia prob was over new years. The water parameters are all really good ie nil??? I'm so lost!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpidersWeb Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yeah if it was over new years it'd have no affect now. What have you done with the tank (other than feeding) in the last week? No leftover food or anything in the tank maybe? Does your water have an odour? (It should smell like wet dirt or no odour). I'm just poking around for possibilities. Did the fish perk up at all after that water change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Nothing has changed in the tank, I brought a pair of Rams and 2 angels who were intorduced to the tank. They brought white spot (I know I shoul,d have quarintined them) Which was treated and has gone now. After treatment I placed carbon in the filter and did a 15% water change? Did I do something wrong? The water smells a little but no different than ever and yea it smells like dirt. And no left over food. I watch to make sure nothing makes it to the substrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 any aggression in the tank? if there is it is possible he has taken a good beating/ramming and it has hurt the swim bladder/other vital organs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Nope I have a quiet tank Sword tails (only one shy male n a few females) One silver shark, 2 small angels, 2 rams, 2 guppies, a few mollies, n a few platties. They all seem very happy and peaceful? I'm stumped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Ahhhh I woke up this morning to a dead angel (not particularly surprising but hard none the less) and a dead platty. The platty looked swollen in her abdomen (could have been fry) and a small white thing coming from her? HELP PLEASE??? I relly dont want to loose any more!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpidersWeb Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Are they still gasping at the surface? We're going to need a lot more details. Specifically what each fish looks like, any abnormalities, their behaviour etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 No they dont seem to be hanging out at the surface, about mid to high tank. I have another high fin platty who has her fins clamped. The others seem fine, nothing has changed. I just found a female guppy dead also and she looking to have something wrong with her abdomen, It was darker in colour than usual and looked to be discharging something brown? The rest of the tank is behaving normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 The platty seems skinny and she has a small spot on her that is white ( not white spot) More like a discolouration? Could it be an internal parasite? Ive just done a 50% water change with not real change for the ill fish. The rest seem perky but they always do after the disturbance of a water change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 The clamped fins, are liable to be a sign of a parasite infection. I would get a parasite remedy & treat the tank again. Use for full course of treatment. Also do you have plenty of airation in the tank, I know that these can supply not much at all if the filter isn't running at full speed or water level is to high. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I rang Brian at goldfish bowl in hamilton and he suggested that it is bacteria and I should treat the tank with Formalin? Wat is the best way to airate a tank this size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpidersWeb Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Formalin is for parasites isnt it? Furan2 is the only anti-bacterial product available without a prescription Pretty sure you've had an ammonia spike or similar (have you cleaned the filter recently, or used a product like Meth Blue?). With the cleaner water the fish should start to improve on their own. Changes in water conditions can leave fish very susceptible to bacterial infections or parasites etc Adding Aquarium Salt to the tank temporarily will be beneficial (half dose if you have loaches etc in there). I prefer using salt baths in buckets outside the aquarium, but am a tad nervous about giving out instructions on that because it's not a very accurate science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yea hopefully that is all it is. Yes I have cleaned the filter but I used established water from the tank. I have purchased an air pump and created a bubble wall to aid in airation. Can there been too much airation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Not from an airstone. My garage now sounds like a cheap divvy lfs that runs solely on air stones :lol: I got a new pump off Brad last week, runs a few tanks but, which is good. :roll: Formalin is for parasites isnt it? So did I. What are the fish like now? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted March 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Ive only had one more loss after treating with formilan and two substantial water changes. Everyone looks good now and they seem to be much happier with more airation. Still stumped as to what happed but assuming it was water quality but what happend I dont know? Im usually pretty careful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Well if the tank is an established one and you had and an ammonia spike after cleaning you filter = you damaged the filters ability to process the ammonia. Your fish may have had damaged gills from ammonia burns or poisoning. At least it sounds like it, as you should never have an ammonia problem in established tank unless under exceptional circumstances, like introducing it or over cleaning your filter. *** I know young angel fish have a very low tolerance to ammonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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