andrem Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 My tank finsihed cycling early this week, added 2 baby ocelaris and some star polyps have been testing ammonia nitirite and nitrate the whole time with salifert test kits with follwoign readings Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Ph 8 - 8.3 Nitrate 10ppm Temp sites between 24 - 27degrees Both the clowns had whitespot last night when I cam home, went back to work last night after deciding to monitor them, came home today and both are dead. Polyps are absolutely fine, all levels as per above. Any ideas on what could have caused this?. I am now doing another water change of about 80 litres (system including sump about 350) and will do another tomorrow. Will use NSW from takapuna which about to go and get. Until now have been using ASW with RODI water from my partners work (hort research). Anyones ideas or similar experiences / solutions greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 what is the salinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Strange where did you get the clowns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Probably hadn't finished cycling enough. you 100% about those readings? White spot is often stress related ( I think) Like Reef said, whats the salinity? do you use a refractometer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrem Posted December 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 steve (jet ski steve) had lots and all other fine. Using refractometer, 1.025 sg, tested his water (that the fish came in) and mine wiht my test kits before adding fish alll the same readings. You cant screw up the testing with those kits as the result of nitrite and ammonia is clear if you have nothing. I have just collected enough water to do about a 90% change which I think could be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 You cant screw up the testing with those kits as the result of nitrite and ammonia is clear if you have nothing. Possibly true I got a pair from the same batch of clowns 2 weeks ago and thay have doubled in size. If you dont have other fish to bully them my guess is water condition :-? I find my star polyps pretty hardy, but they always close up for a day or two when I dose Mag. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 The fish could have amyloodinium ocellatum. You will have to treat you whole tank as it is easily transmitted. Infested fish are restless, suffer from difficult respiration, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 How long did you acclimatise them for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrem Posted December 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Aclimatized them for about 1 hours. There is nothing else in the tank apart from those two clowns (now dead) and the polyps. I have now done about a 99% w/c with NSW from Takapuna Boat ramp, was about 70degress so should affect the bacteria too much, removed most of the rock and kept in a large container with the original water while the tank heaps up along with the polyps. Should be abother couple of hours and will then put it all back in. Will run some tests again on the water tomorrow but dont expect to find anything. At least this would have reduced my nitrates and phosphates to a very low level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Aclimatized them for about 1 hours Does not have to be that long. 15min is ok. Can’t see why you did a 99% water change. Good way to kill off your tank bacteria. It sounds like nothing is wrong with your tank water otherwise the star polyps would not open. You got diseased fish, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raeh1 Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Best to start with a hardy fish like a chromis for a week or two. Good luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stompa Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 you edited that quick reef .... saying that the store would replace the fish is a load of rubbish ..... they would more likely make a comment like "oh sir you must have done something wrong but oh well we took your money" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 yes i edited as i was not sure if all stores do that . But i have seen many replace them in good faith. its a hard one with livestock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 i pm Andre to say reef would blame the fish! wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Once, one new fish wiped out half of my live stock. Why are the clowns I got so healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krama Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 hi shaneo did you have a stock loss? Makes me feel a little bit twitchy. Things are going smoothly at the moment. Did you buy some "infected stock"? ps. some export in the fridge with your name on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Pm'd you bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Once, one new fish wiped out half of my live stock. Why are the clowns I got so healthy? how did it do that, did it eat them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 I wish!!! 1. It would have saved me on food 2. I wouldn't have felt so bad for adding a dud fish to my system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 I wish!!! 1. It would have saved me on food 2. I wouldn't have felt so bad for adding a dud fish to my system! so how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Mate you know how things go, pull your nose out ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Mate you know how things go, pull your nose out ....... A, out of what. I was just interested, as i had a the same kind of thing happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Sorry mate, getting a bit jumpy with the Pm's I'm getting. some people dont have the gonads to post . Parasites was my best quess??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Lost a Sail fin tang, clown fish, Lawnmower blenny and long nose yellow butterfly fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Sorry mate, getting a bit jumpy with the Pm's I'm getting. some people dont have the gonads to post . Parasites was my best quess??? May have just been bad luck. I sold a angel i had for about 3 years ish to a mate. I had never had any problems with it. He put it in his tank, it got sick, and killed a couple of his other ones. Point is we are dealing with live stock, and any type of stress could cause an outbreak. Esp when moving them to a new tank. How is the tank now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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