wasp Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Spur 2 is a product used to bring out colours in some sps corals. As it can be used in tanks that don't use the full zeovit system, here is a link to a thread about it. http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5901 The above thread is from a pretty happy guy, but Spur 2 is a difficult product to use, other water parameters have to be right to use it. Therefore here is another thread with a guy having some difficulty with it. You may note the Kiwi influence! http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5912 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 It makes you wonder what you're adding to the tank, when it results in such a sever reaction from corals and their symbiots. Which in turn begs the question of how healthy is this product is for corals? Zeospur 2 itself sports a very interesting colour. One which I would be wary of adding to my tank, without further investigation. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 lokks like a bottle of shampoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 it acutally smells and looks like windowlene, Taste ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 The bottle does look like shampoo! :lol: If I put it on my head, maybe it will make my hair grow back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 OK Ben took you up & done the taste test, was expecting something really strong but it has nearly no taste, just mildly astringent. Only put the smallest drop in my mouth though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 check tongue for hair in the morning :bounce: :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 maybe it will make my hair grow back tried that didn't work. It makes you wonder what you're adding to the tank, when it results in such a sever reaction from corals and their symbiots true true. but hell it works. but one has to be very careful. it should not end up in people hands that like to "rush" things as it can turn into a catastrophe. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 but hell it works. Just because it works doesn't mean it's either safe, or healthy. Obviously some people don't care whether it is or not, as long as it turns brown corals colourful, regardless. As we all know bleaching can result in colourful corals, but it's not healthy. Dying corals can also result in colourful corals, but it's not healthy. Fertilising coral symbiots can also result in colourful corals, but it's not always healthy. What do they say is in this stuff? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cookie extreme Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 What do they say is in this stuff would you tell everyone if its your product? guess not? As we all know bleaching can result in colourful corals, but it's not healthy. mine aren't nearly has colourful as i would like! Dying corals can also result in colourful corals, but it's not healthy. mine grow very very fast, selling heaps. not healthy? if they are sick why are they growing so well, have to mention here that i have had no coral death since setting up this tank (well over a year now). can you say the same???? Just because it works doesn't mean it's either safe, or healthy do you shower? do you use shampoo? shower gel's? did ya watch a couple days ago "inside NZ"? this whole country uses "unsafe, unhealthy soaps and other stuff? do they care? most of the world works like that, people know its bad and still use it. why? i think Zeospur2 is a great product, can you prove that Zeospur2 is "bad" full stop? no guessing please or assuming. if used properly it works like it says. :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ok so asking what's in it is too much (even a vague "marketing" contents would be interesting). What mechanism is it using to achieve what it does? When you see reports like: Sometimes the color changes happen for 48 hours so more corals might show similar responses tomorrow. I dosed my second dose of spur2 this morning, 2 weeks after the first dose, and when I got home tonight I could not believe my eyes. I dose every 2 weeks. I notice a big difference, it just seems like it isn't the same effect as most people seem to get. It looks like the acros "bleach" for a couple of days--is this what people refer to as getting brighter? It's not white, just a bit washed out. The overall coloration has improved since I've use spur2, it just seems like it looks crappy for the first couple of days. Anyhow, the first dose I did 5 weeks ago, 1 1/2 mls, produced an extreme reaction, the tank was glowing & I was concerned about coral health, although everything did survive. So the next dose 3 weeks after the first one, (or 2 weeks ago) was only 3/4 ml, there was no effect. So last night I did another dose, 1 1/4 ml exactly. This morning there was a lightening of the corals, but not the intense glowy type look that happened after the first dose. So I'm guessing 1 1/4 mls must be the exact minimum dose to get a result, albeit a mild result. So what I want to know, can this minimum dose be increased a little to get the more glowy type effect I got at the first dose? Or is this dangerous? While I was worried about coral health, it certainly did look pretty cool! Surely you have to question what it's doing to achieve this? And the colour of the zeospur product itself really intrigues me. I'm confident I could guess some of the contents in it, based on it's colour and comments made by Pohl in the past. I'm not trying to prove anything here, but peoples reports surely make you wonder what's happening when you put this stuff in your tank, and how it's doing what it does. (Also I meant dyeing above not dying) Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ok so asking what's in it is too much No, you can ask. You won't get told though cos it's a trade secret. If you cannot live with that, over to you. However, the product has proved safe, to people who can read instructions. I'm confident I could guess If you are confident in your guess, your call. I'm not trying to prove anything herePity. What you say would carry some weight, if you could prove it. In fact, I recall going down this exact same track with you before, and you proved nothing that time either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 So were you ever concerned with the health of your corals after using this product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Yes, the first time I used it I was VERY worried. The results were STUNNING, the corals were glowing, the tank looked like it had a light coming out of it. While it looked awesome, I was worried something bad may happen. I therefore posted on Zeovit.com asking about it, as I'm sure you will already know. However, more experienced users questioned me about it & then reassured me all would be well, which it was. Zeovit.com is a great site! Nonetheless, I have scaled back my dosage since that time. It is only people who can't or won't read instructions, or who think they know more about the product than the manufacturer, who overdose and run into problems. This applies to many reef products, not just the Zeovit range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 It is only people who can't or won't read instructions, or who think they know more about the product than the manufacturer, who overdose and run into problems. This applies to many reef products, not just the Zeovit range. Who are these people? I haven't come across any. This seems to be the standard assumption when people have problems with these products. More often than not people are following directions just fine. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 You are telling me you don't know anybody who has not followed instructions? And you don't know anybody who thinks he is so smart he will try to confidently out guess the manufacturer? Never met any such person, right? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 What are you on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Can't you answer that question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 You'll have to figure it out Layton I've been told by an expert in these matters, that this is the Socratic method :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 If you're observant I use a combination of guided questioning, along with straight answers to those who ask a specific question. I asked a specific question above, will you answer it? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 So were you ever concerned with the health of your corals after using this product sh..t yeah i was very concerned the first few times dosing it. and yes i would like to know whats in it! i took the piss before in a reef club meeting and said it is glas cleaner and wouldn't be suprised if it is something very close to it. but hey it works. and no i don't think it dye's the corals as not all respond the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 sh..t yeah i was very concerned the first few times dosing it. and yes i would like to know whats in it! i took the piss before in a reef club meeting and said it is glas cleaner and wouldn't be suprised if it is something very close to it. but hey it works. and no i don't think it dye's the corals as not all respond the same way. I would be VERY surprised if it had many similarities with glass cleaner (maybe one insignificant one), nor do I think it dye's corals, that was just an example. The fact that not all corals respond the same way also points to the product directly effecting the symbiots rather than the coral itself. Of course by effecting symboits you are eventually going to effect the coral itself. So what would cause drastic changes to symbiots in such a short period time? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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