wasp Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Why did you post a post subject like "It CAN be done. Pretty SPS tank with DSB" Layton To show an example of it being done very successfully. and not expect discussion on it? Layton Discuusion is fine, that's what the rest of us want. 20 pages of argueing is not fine, it's a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Im not going to bother looking at all those links. Maybe you should shut up then. It's hard to discuss something with someone who is completely ignorant on the subject, and has no inclination to learn anything about it. Read a link, and tell me what you think it is saying. Can you just provide the few that directly apply to sand bed crah possibilities. Read the links, that's what they are. also....if you are so against them, your tank must be a fine piece. why dont you ever supply pics for us to see? Are you all words? I'm not against sand beds, for some tanks they are fine. Personally I wouldn't chose to run one as filtration however, been there done that, it's too much work. I hear you lost fish not so long ago also.......was this due to not QT ing properly which you should have known about also..... Really? How many fish did I lose and how long did I have them? Pure rubbish. Clearly a blatant lie in an attempt to discredit what I say. LAYTON, you cant just negative, negative, negative everything and everybody when you like, especially when you dont supply pics and also make mistakes like the rest of us sometimes. What's wrong with telling the truth? That's all I'm doing. Sand beds are fine and I will prove this to you. Other reefers have had sand beds for 10 years and more with no issues, simply because of correct husbandry teqhniques. How are you going to prove it, when so many scientist and anecdotal evidence conclusively shows that they cycle nutrients. How are you going to disprove this? Especially seen as though you have no inclination to even read what it is your trying to disprove. BB tanks are #$@*& ugly...... You dont see glass on the bottom af a fiji reef. YUK! Well that's your personal taste, fine. But you don't see skimmers on a Fiji reef either. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 So Chimera, how do you know when a DSB is full? What problems can a full DSB display? I have no idea layton, i just like winding you up. How are you going to prove it, when so many scientist and anecdotal evidence conclusively shows that they cycle nutrients. ...which are then removed via skimming and water changes. i, and i would imagine others, wouldnt propose anyone run a DSB solely as their main method of filtration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 ...which are then removed via skimming and water changes. i, and i would imagine others, wouldnt propose anyone run a DSB solely as their main method of filtration. Algae gets all the nutrients they require first, before it has a chance to get anywhere near the skimmer. That's a problem. When it starts releasing the nutrients, you get virtually uncontrollable algae growth, until it's run it's course, and then the bed starts absorbing nutrients again. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Well that's your personal taste, fine. But you don't see skimmers on a Fiji reef either. yes you do! its called the shore (where the water meets the sand ) and lots of gunk is visible on choppy days. its a good fertilizer for land plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 yes you do! its called the shore (where the water meets the sand ) and lots of gunk is visible on choppy days. its a good fertilizer for land plants. I knew someone would say that. There's an awful lot of water volume and bugger all coastline. Sediments have a huge part to play in the oceans nutrients supply, as well as sinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 My skimmer is in my sump......I cant see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 well if you're that adamant that they cause problems then you either better get rid of yours soon layton - or at least the description on your saltwater tank saying you run one... http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/layton ... t4928.html ...unless of course you're running your tank in a test lab :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 well if you're that adamant that they cause problems then you either better get rid of yours soon layton - or at least the description on your saltwater tank saying you run one... http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/layton ... t4928.html ...unless of course you're running your tank in a test lab :-? Are we to assume that's his current tank? Last I heard his acros were suffering TN the tank has been stripped and he's confining himself to telling people with nice acro tanks how they should be doing it. Wonder why there is a credibility gap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 well if you're that adamant that they cause problems then you either better get rid of yours soon layton - or at least the description on your saltwater tank saying you run one... http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/layton ... t4928.html ...unless of course you're running your tank in a test lab :-? Got rid of it months ago. As I predicted, it started to cause problems, so dumped it, as I had planned too. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 More rumours and pure rubbish wasp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 More rumours and pure rubbish wasp... No it's a fact. I have a reliable source. - You. You said yourself you acros suffering from TN. I wonder what's happened to them now? And you also said you had to strip down tank and remove all your rock to treat for nutrient overload. So you talking about lying, which one of you is lying? But I really don't wish to put down. Just don't tell people with great photo what to do cos noone believes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 And the inability to read continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 just received the newest marine world (yes with lots of adds). on page 80 is an article on "The most common mistakes of a marine aquarist". (no not how to spell coral) mistake number 5 says: Mr big mouth, closeminded person opening your mouth and giving guidance on a subject or piece of aquatic equipment without ever having tried it or having experience of it. now this is a biggie in the aquatic world; strong opinion without experience bad very bad. how true. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 And the assumptions and crap continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chimera Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 very very nice tank! errr, and the last pic of carpet anemone eating fish... well, good timing i suppose! that sandbed looks a little deep to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeftec Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 it's not an anemone its a short tentacle plate(fungia)it gets pretty big after feeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jetskisteve Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 STUNNING! Look forward to getting some coral colors like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Well can't argue with that! I'm surprised at how clean the whole thing is, not often to see a full footprint DSB tank like that. The colors also are pretty awesome, do you dose any coral food? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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