livebearer_breeder Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 I was Just wondering if You could make a Sump Silent? I was at Pies last night and his one down stares is abit noisey, and if i were to setup a marine i would have it in my room, just wondering if i can make a Marine silent like i can my freshwaters? Cheers Shae (Cheers for the advice Pies, And good food from Jane ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 You can make them pretty silent, my whole setup is in the sitting room right by my bed room door. Once you have the design right ie standpipe etc. For me the biggest problem seems to be getting quite pumps. I have one cheap one running my skimmer that makes more noise than the rest of the system put together, all the other cheap power heads etc that I have now removed also rattled and hummed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Hmm, Ok, I spose i could possibly put a Marine into my fishroom, Not sure how fesable it would be though. Considering it could only be 30-40cm tall in my stands. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Go for it dude, from what I have seen you have the aptitude to get a really sucessful setup going. Just remember to do lots of research and planning, as you know theres some bigs costs involved, if you work out what you want now and get the right gear you will save lots in the long run. I made the mistake of thinking I would start with a small cheaper setup and now have a bunch of cheap crap gear that just wasted $. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I made the mistake of thinking I would start with a small cheaper setup and now have a bunch of cheap crap gear that just wasted $ :lol: so true. there is a site somewhere that shows how to quieten down your sump. i will see if i can find it. essentially the overflow pipe went down to the sump then horizontally across the water surface about 150mm (3/4 of the pipe was submerged, with the rest sticking out of the water) and with an end cap on. on the top of the horizontal pipe were heaps of (about 12mm?) holes drilled along it. the water went down then bubbled up and out the top holes and onto the surface of the water. the author said it was very quiet. makes sense, there would be no or little 'drop' of water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I might be interested in some of that cheap gear if your not useing them, and willing to sell, Not for marine, Im sure i could put it to use with the Freshys. Yeah im doing heaps of research at the momment. Pies told me how cheap MH can be, so i was really incouraged by the price i heard. I deffinatly want a sump, And that brings up another question, Is it possible to rig a System that doesnt need Holes in the tanks? And how would i go about it if so? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Thanks Chimera. Does anyone know prices and brands on Skimmers and Return pumps, also were to order them from, cause i sure dont know. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Would this work as a pump? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Fish/Pumps-filters/auction-26266322.htm Or this? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Fish/Pumps-filters/auction-26319232.htm Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Yeah I'll get round having a clean out soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Cool, Give me a PM, with a list, lol Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 The main things to look out for with marine pumps are that they are completely ceramic, any metal bits (shafts etc) even stainless steel will rust. You then have to look at the application of the pump, ie some pumps don't like back pressure, so while it might have a good LPR rating as soon as it has a load on it (i.e. return pump to tank) it drops right off or become noisy etc. IMHO unless you are welling risk the $ trying odd pumps out stick to the tried and tested brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 OK cool, well hopefully someone can list them for me soon. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Shae - The sump downstairs is noisey at the moment because I am putting about 7000 litres and hour through a 3 foot sump, which is over-working it to the extreme. When I move it to the room, the tank should only make a whisper, but the skimmer will always make that 'hushing' noise and I don't think there will be much I can do about that. Piezloa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBlog Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Or this? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Fish/Pumps-filters/auction-26319232.htm I bought the King 3 with my setup when I first started out. It was cheap and got me through the first year. As for quiet, not really. I have replaced it with a Eheim 1262 and Eheim 1250, which are awesome pumps, but quite expensive new. I just bought a Laguna 7 for a couple hundred that seems to work out fine. It is quieter than the King 3 and heaps more flow. I have no idea about Laguna's reputation, but it was relatively cheap at the time and allowed me to buy other goodies that I also wanted. I don't expect it to last forever (like the Eheims), but it is certainly doing the job for now. When I buy "the" pump for my return, I'm sure it will be a pressure rated Iwaki so that I can run some eductors for extra flow. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 When I buy "the" pump for my return, I'm sure it will be a pressure rated Iwaki so that I can run some eductors for extra flow. Steve Steve - what are "eductors" ? Thats not a word im familiar with. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I know someone who has had a Laguna6 running for 12 years in a POND! That encouraged me to use one as my return pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 it only needs to be able to handle 300-400l system, havnt worked out exact Literage yet, will do so. Prices would be nice aswell, But if one of those Kings will do the trick for 6 months, its a cheap altunative to start with. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 So is it possible to Rig a Sump system that doesnt need holes in tanks? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 eductors - think of these as velocity to volume convertors. They take high velocity water, like out of a pump, and output higher volume of water at a lower speed. Using an effect similar to Venturi. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Thanks Layton - i see what u r getting at. Livebearer_breeder... So is it possible to Rig a Sump system that doesnt need holes in tanks? Shae Absolutely, i believe Tunze do a weir box system that sits on the tank. They may well be noisy though, and i believe they are a last resort. The return can easily be put back into the tank using piping over the top too, in conjunction with a spraybar or other products like Oceans Motions revolutions - some of this can be unsightly and cluttered though, depending on tank location. I believe Chimera had his tank drilled even after he had set it up (am i right there Chim?) - just a case of getting a glazier who knows what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Ok, so a Glazier Can drill holes in pre existing Tanks? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummingBird Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 It was my understanding that all holes had to be drilled before the tank came into existance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Nope A good glazier can drill a hole in a tank that has already been made. Many will shy away from the job, but there are those that can and do do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 does any body no of a good glazier that can drill holes in already made tanks? edit: in wellington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Peter should be able to then. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.