I brough a nice red cap from a pet shop deep red not the surface type head growth like a golf ball yes it has a lean body but the front fins are not thick the lady in the pet shop said it has been mix but is a male .
I am only guessing you are graig that has some of i loves fish .
as he mixs with rufkins they all seem to be round at the back .
i am wanting to get a female or 2 with resonble head an dont want to end up with a hole lot of males . i hope too have first real go at breeding this season. as i use to breed show budges breeding birds where hard to find in season . So i am hoping to find a good female oranda before breeding season