Montyfish Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 My Leo Monty is now about 2 years and 3 months old now. Weighed and measured him the other day at 10 inch and 112 grams. I've seen on websites this is described size as being giant to super giant size? Is that so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 It is more likely just fat. Feeding too much or the wrong food tends to mke them fat and it causes fatty liver and damage to internal organs so it is not good. They are movement stimulated feeders so if you wiggle food in front of them they will eat it even though they don't need it. It is a bit like waving chocolate in front of a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrysHerps Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Giants would reach that length within usually 8-11 months old so was this the case with your gecko? My guess is that your gecko simply has a great apetite but if you post a picture that would reveal a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Unlikely to develop a GENETIC giant in the three generAtions they have been available in NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrysHerps Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Ooh mate if you saw what was popping out of my incubator you might be saying otherwise..... Also giants are little more complex than your mack snow, simple artificial selection of the largest geckos and your chances for a 'giant' genetic mutation skyrocket. lizardlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think if people started feeding their reptiles properly and not treating them like starvin marvin theyd grow to a better size. My one year old frogs are bigger than the 6+ years old. And gecko well they be grown hard on just 2/3 feeds a week. and lets face it. if some of the past leopard geckos haven't been smuggled in id be very surprised. lps in nz could carry any and every trait there is out there. dream a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Not in 3 generations. Don't confuse fat with large and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Also giants are little more complex than your mack snow, simple artificial selection of the largest geckos and your chances for a 'giant' genetic mutation skyrocket. I think you got the comment back the front? For it to be considered a giant they would have to produce offspring 100% of that trait, this couldn't be achieved in 3 generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrysHerps Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Very true, but as insect direct said; it is likely there have been many smuggled ones tossed into the mix which have been bred for many generations, i have heard this theory from many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think there are some strains popping up and also a lot of claims popping up. some of the claims in my opinion are bollocks. A small orange blotch on the tail is not a carrot tail even if with selective breeding over many generations it may get there. lizardlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 there's always going to be bollocks where ball bags are involved :rolfl: straight out assuming Montyfish's gecko is fat is a bit un-welcoming. Conversation should be encouraged here. Atleast your honest though, ill give you that. and if geckos havnt been muggled with then full credit to you. the animals about now look amazing considering what I thought the originals looked like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sorry, I didn't mean to make anyone feel unwelcome. I have seen a few obese leopard geckos lately and have a thing about treating animals poorly (which is what overfeeding is as well as underfeeding). A free and frank discussion is always good so I will be free if you want to be frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Its alright, I understand where you are coming from. I don't think he's obese as far as I can tell Ill get some pics up here. His feeding has been the same for about a year now, food every three days either crickets or mealworms. Also I dont have to wiggle them in front of him. His mealworms go in a bowl (which he looks in every night) and I let crickets loose in his enclosure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 The big question is .. how's the big fella performing on the breeding front ... some one else had one 100g+ on this forum.... my young male is 60ish? must check again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I would have thought 60-70 grams would be about normal for a male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 68.5 and I do think he is a bit plump. only a bit though growth and weight seems to have curtailed over the past couple of months. other female laid 12 eggs and is back down to 30g again .. possibly a couple more eggs to come too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 My guy looks like the gecko on the right, no bigger. ill get pics tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 dont know how to upload but pics are on here: http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/peppe ... =3&page=1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 looks solid .. even if less on the middle it looks like it would still well out weigh my one that I thought was a good size (pic above) p.s edit your post - go to facebook click the code with img in front of it - to the right of your pics. put that as the link (ctr v) - click preview -- they should come up - then post.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Sorry, the photos don't seem to be coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 it is a bit of a mission. lizardlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Sweet thanks, Im not very good with this kind of stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Do you guys think he looks fat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 yeah slightly ... almost looks about to lay an egg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montyfish Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Ok sweet, ill stick him on a diet and hard exercise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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