SamH Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 My Male, he is very deep in color but is hetro for black and white genes Awesome photo! A little off topic but that photo inspired me, can Leos be kept in a rain forest/jungle themed tanks with moss and ferns or do they require dry conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 They live in the desert so need a dry environment but need a moist hide to lay eggs in and shed their skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 If it has a mack snow gene it will be a mack snow (which will look like a hi yellow later) if it has 2 mack snow genes (homozygous) it will be a super mack snow and mature to a white with spots as pinstripes. That would mean some juvies being sold as hi yellows will not be that when adults would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Yes. My understanding is that mack snows are not always straight black and white when young and certain characteristics can indicate the gene such as extended white down the front shoulders or very light yellow colouring, and I think pinstriping of the dots also. All of my adult mack snows were black and white as hatchlings and now look like hi yellows. I have some babies this year from "hi yellow" parents that are showing some of the above characteristics. I think there are a lot more mack snows out there than we realise but the problem as always is knowing which ones truely are unless they were black and white as hatchlings and good records are kept. I photograph mine as they hatch and give them a number so I can tell which one I have when they all revert to looking like hi yellows. If both parents are mack snows then the offspring must be and the others that only may be because they have only some characteristics I treat as hi yellows.I have two hi yellow females that have thrown mack snows in the past. One also had twins so there may be some genes out there worth keeping. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Better picture of my smallest female from Dragonz. I love the colours on her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 The first is a black and light yellow from mack snow parents. The second is a black and white from mack snow parents and the third is a maybe from hi yellow parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz1833 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 what i have read alot about is mack snows are black and white no yellow at all when young so they cant be mack snows as yellow is still in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I dunno about 'names of morphs' but the photos & animals seem to be gaining quality all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Perhaps you should read some more and you might be able to explain how you get a hi yellow from mack snow parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrysHerps Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Its quite common to get a wildtype or high yellow from mack snow parents. Its almost all chance with morphs aye. Dragonz is right that mack snow is defined by its white bands as hatchlings but this will slightly fade more yellow as they get older. Good news is that if you do have mack snow breeders is that you have a 25% chance of getting a super snow from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Terribly sorry, I stand corrected: There are different results when breeding Mack Snows. Listed below are different possible combinations. Mack Snow x Mack Snow 25% Super Snow 50% Mack Snow 25% Wild Type Mack Snow x Normal 50% Mack Snow 50% Wild Type Super Snow x Normal 100% Mack Snow Super Snow x Mack Snow 50% Super Snow 50% Mack Snow Super Snow x Super Snow 100% Super Snow If all else fails read the instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reuben.a Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Great info and stunning babies alan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I should have switched my brain on. Maybe need more coffee. If mack snows are heterozygous they will have a mack snow and a normal gene so the normals are in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 lol thought i was going mad :nilly: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 My largest Female Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 How many grams is she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 currently weighing in at 108g but is due to lay any day now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Is that black and white or just the picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Very pale, but not black and white........yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reuben.a Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Yeah got an overhead shot by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Here you are, not the best but you can make out the colour on the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 For that to be that colour and that weight surely you must have a super mack snow? The only thing is the non pinstriping of the dots, or your skill with manipulating pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Ill try to get a better pic, its not quite as bleached as that looks, this isnt even my pale female lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Unusual but the eye is the giveaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Unusual but the eye is the giveaway. It still has yellow on it so it can't be a Mack snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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