After all my goldfish died in a disaster I'm planning to redo the stock completely as a mock tropical with cold water guppies paradise fish algae eaters gold/brown leopard fish and mountain minnows if anyone has any good tips on these kinds of fish or any other non goldfish cold water fish around (non native ) please let me know :f77: :f77: :f77:

Guppies and paradise fish aren't a great mix. Paradise fish are basically subtropical fighters, so they'll have a go at anything bright and flashy.

I've kept three diffrent fighters with guppies with no problems and bedsides don't most fighters not like guppies because they mistake them for other fighters since they look a bit alike

Paradise fish are fin nippers

What is a cold water guppie?

The little ones that are grey with just the sides coulrful and they have a black dot with a forked tail

Just looked it up lyre tail guppie

What is a cold water guppie?

Gambusia.

Otherwise it's a tropical guppy sold by unethical fish shops to noobs who should know better.

No not mosquito fish apparently they are also called Venezuelan guppiesnthey do look very diffrent to normal guppies

No not mosquito fish apparently they are also called Venezuelan guppiesnthey do look very diffrent to normal guppies

Venezuelan Guppy is an uncommon name for Endlers, which ideally prefer a degree or two warmer than common guppies.

Coldwater guppies are a myth, as Ira said.

Paradise fish should be kept in species only tanks.

Their in with goldfish and mountain minnows but anyway are their any other fish not on the list

Doesn't mean they should be.

If you are going to ignore all the excellent knowledge offered so far then I would not want to recommend any other species to you as they would be condemned to a certain death.

What on Earth is a "mock tropical"?

A fake tropical you know like leopard fish are like cold water platies becides I have one of those mini floating plastic tanks they could go into until I could re home them if any thing went wrong

I still do not understand what you are trying to say,or wanting to do.

Either a tank is cold water or it is tropical. Each requires different fish and plants.

There is no such thing as either cold water guppies or cold water platies.

I'll put it as simple as I can a cold water tank that's looks like a tropical

You are not listening to a word you are being told by very experienced fish keepers. Given you lost your goldfish in a disaster I would have thought you would be keen to avoid a further one.

You can not do a tropical looking tank with cold water fish. The bright coloured fish are all tropical to some degree.

Why would you want to buy fish and put them through pain and distress, then decide they need to be re-homed?

I suggest you do some extensive research on the internet before you even think about buying more. Read at least six articles from different websites on each type of fish then take the information which constantly appears.

Leopoldo fish are quite coulrful and their cold water as well as golden algae eaters

Gold algae eaters are not cold water 23.3 - 26.1 degrees celcius and grow to 30cm.

Phalloceros caudimaculatus are subtropical - a few will survive in low temperatures, others live in 35 degrees. 15 - 20 degrees celcius is optimum for them.

So you have two fish with different requirements.

There's no point in debating the issue - you need to do some research and if you want a cold water tank get true cold water fish. Then you will need a chiller to keep it cold in the summer months.

I had a golden algae eater in cold water for mouths and it was allways very active and leopard fish can apparently live in thoughs

Just because you've done something a certain way for a while, doesn't mean that's the way the fish is suppose to live long term. Keeping a fish tank should be about thrive, not survive.

+1 to Adrienne. If you want a coldwater, get definite coldwater/subtropical fish that THRIVE in 18-20 degrees. Otherwise put the other fish like your golden algae eater and guppies in a tropical tank.

I guess I could use the spare heater I have but I woulnt want to go warmer then about 19 degrees because I would want some native shrimp in their

We're honestly not trying to be mean here. This is just what these types of fish basically need.

I have a coldwater tank, and the fish need an extremely high current, plenty of oxygen, and a way to keep cool in summer. I'm lucky in that there's an HRV system in my house, and it keeps the room temp down, and subsequently, keeps the coldwater tank at 20C at the most. When I first started and was living elsewhere, the tank would easily get up to 24-25C even without a heater, and well out of the sun.

A coldwater tank is not just a tropical setup without a heater, these fish have their own requirements and certain compatibilities too, and you need to research those carefully.

You're not listening. We're not telling you to put a heater in the tank for the tropical fish. You need to take the fish that require warmer temps out of the tank, as they do not suit colder water.

There's no point putting a heater in for the tropical fish, as it will make things worse for the coldwater fish. It needs to be one or the other.

Or set up another tank for your shrimp you want to keep and keep them in a species designed tank and then get a heater for this tank and go full tropical.