My Leo Monty is now about 2 years and 3 months old now. Weighed and measured him the other day at 10 inch and 112 grams. I've seen on websites this is described size as being giant to super giant size? Is that so?

It is more likely just fat. Feeding too much or the wrong food tends to mke them fat and it causes fatty liver and damage to internal organs so it is not good. They are movement stimulated feeders so if you wiggle food in front of them they will eat it even though they don't need it. It is a bit like waving chocolate in front of a child.

Giants would reach that length within usually 8-11 months old so was this the case with your gecko? My guess is that your gecko simply has a great apetite but if you post a picture that would reveal a lot.

Unlikely to develop a GENETIC giant in the three generAtions they have been available in NZ

Ooh mate if you saw what was popping out of my incubator you might be saying otherwise.....

Also giants are little more complex than your mack snow, simple artificial selection of the largest geckos and your chances for a 'giant' genetic mutation skyrocket.

I think if people started feeding their reptiles properly and not treating them like starvin marvin theyd grow to a better size. My one year old frogs are bigger than the 6+ years old. And gecko well they be grown hard on just 2/3 feeds a week.

and lets face it. if some of the past leopard geckos haven't been smuggled in id be very surprised. lps in nz could carry any and every trait there is out there. dream a little.

Not in 3 generations. Don't confuse fat with large and healthy.

Also giants are little more complex than your mack snow, simple artificial selection of the largest geckos and your chances for a 'giant' genetic mutation skyrocket.

I think you got the comment back the front?

For it to be considered a giant they would have to produce offspring 100% of that trait, this couldn't be achieved in 3 generations.

Very true, but as insect direct said; it is likely there have been many smuggled ones tossed into the mix which have been bred for many generations, i have heard this theory from many people.

I think there are some strains popping up and also a lot of claims popping up. some of the claims in my opinion are bollocks. A small orange blotch on the tail is not a carrot tail even if with selective breeding over many generations it may get there.

there's always going to be bollocks where ball bags are involved :rolfl:

straight out assuming Montyfish's gecko is fat is a bit un-welcoming. Conversation should be encouraged here. Atleast your honest though, ill give you that.

and if geckos havnt been muggled with then full credit to you. the animals about now look amazing considering what I thought the originals looked like.

Sorry, I didn't mean to make anyone feel unwelcome. I have seen a few obese leopard geckos lately and have a thing about treating animals poorly (which is what overfeeding is as well as underfeeding). A free and frank discussion is always good so I will be free if you want to be frank.

Its alright, I understand where you are coming from. I don't think he's obese as far as I can tell Ill get some pics up here. His feeding has been the same for about a year now, food every three days either crickets or mealworms. Also I dont have to wiggle them in front of him. His mealworms go in a bowl (which he looks in every night) and I let crickets loose in his enclosure.

The big question is .. how's the big fella performing on the breeding front ...

some one else had one 100g+ on this forum.... my young male is 60ish? must check again.

I would have thought 60-70 grams would be about normal for a male.

68.5 and I do think he is a bit plump. only a bit though

growth and weight seems to have curtailed over the past couple of months.

other female laid 12 eggs and is back down to 30g again .. possibly a couple more eggs to come too.

My guy looks like the gecko on the right, no bigger. ill get pics tonight.

dont know how to upload but pics are on here: http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/peppe ... =3&page=1/

looks solid .. even if less on the middle it looks like it would still well out weigh my one that I thought was a good size (pic above)

p.s edit your post - go to facebook click the code with img in front of it - to the right of your pics. put that as the link (ctr v) - click preview -- they should come up - then post..

Sorry, the photos don't seem to be coming up.

it is a bit of a mission.

Sweet thanks, Im not very good with this kind of stuff...

Do you guys think he looks fat?

yeah slightly ... almost looks about to lay an egg?

Ok sweet, ill stick him on a diet and hard exercise...